{"id":54769,"date":"2021-06-22T10:54:17","date_gmt":"2021-06-22T14:54:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/?page_id=54769"},"modified":"2025-03-13T11:47:14","modified_gmt":"2025-03-13T15:47:14","slug":"leadership-podcasts","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/insights-research\/leadership-podcasts\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"54769\" class=\"elementor elementor-54769\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-d58a409 cclHeadingBG elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"d58a409\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-2178eee\" data-id=\"2178eee\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-3e378d9 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"3e378d9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Podcast<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-879e853 elementor-align-left elementor-widget elementor-widget-breadcrumbs\" data-id=\"879e853\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"breadcrumbs.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div id=\"breadcrumbs\"><span><span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/\">Home<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1019f6f colorBG1 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1019f6f\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-extended\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-9cc389d\" data-id=\"9cc389d\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-9e92449 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"9e92449\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Lead With That<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-c07f609 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"c07f609\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Exploring Leadership Lessons in Current Events<\/h3>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-94b1859 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"94b1859\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Leadership lessons don\u2019t need to be reserved for formal classroom and online trainings, they can be extracted from the stories we encounter every day. Join the Center for Creative Leadership\u2019s Ren Washington and Allison Barr as they uncover and highlight the leadership lessons in today\u2019s headlines and popular culture.<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-6fd9767 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"6fd9767\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">The <em>Lead With That podcast<\/em> is available on:<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-4c44096 elementor-section-content-middle elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"4c44096\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container 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\/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5da030a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5da030a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/lead-with-that\/id1571152516\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Apple Podcasts<\/a><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-33 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-03bc746\" data-id=\"03bc746\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d0375d1 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"d0375d1\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/27W1npQBwosQBTvzqeWCaT\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/elementor\/thumbs\/spotify-icon-pgfdkwmz46j4irmclhsoqp68k4knbtjzkq2cut649q.jpg\" title=\"spotify-icon\" alt=\"spotify icon\" loading=\"lazy\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-549c010 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"549c010\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/27W1npQBwosQBTvzqeWCaT\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-33 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4990fd9\" data-id=\"4990fd9\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-ece10fe elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"ece10fe\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/leadwiththat.podbean.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/elementor\/thumbs\/podbean-icon-pgfdkwmz46j4irmclhsoqp68k4knbtjzkq2cut649q.jpg\" title=\"podbean-icon\" alt=\"Podbean icon\" loading=\"lazy\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7b7221b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7b7221b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p style=\"text-align: center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/leadwiththat.podbean.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Podbean<\/a><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-0cb2bf3\" data-id=\"0cb2bf3\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-eb35733 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"eb35733\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-8f03a0d hover-block shadow-block\" data-id=\"8f03a0d\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-30cc28a elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"30cc28a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">About the Podcast Hosts<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b765a01 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"b765a01\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em>Meet the hosts of our leadership podcast, bringing you fresh insights gleaned from today&#8217;s headlines.<\/em><\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-682f11d elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"682f11d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-53e0cd1\" data-id=\"53e0cd1\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-23a19c3 elementor-widget 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class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-716e7ad elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"716e7ad\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Ren Washington, MA<\/strong><br \/><p>Ren is a Leadership Solutions Partner and co-host of our <a href=\"\/insights-research\/lead-with-that\/\">Lead With That<\/a> podcast, which highlights the leadership lessons in today\u2019s headlines and popular culture. He\u2019s committed to helping people and organizations address their most challenging and complex issues around <a href=\"\/leadership-solutions\/organizational-leadership\/organizational-change-transformation\/\">organizational change<\/a>, innovation, <a href=\"\/leadership-solutions\/leadership-topics\/resilience-training\/\">resilience<\/a>, and executive presence.<\/p>\n<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-7e6f466 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"7e6f466\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-fabae9e\" data-id=\"fabae9e\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f08f9ae elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"f08f9ae\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Allison-Barr.jpg\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-54455\" alt=\"Allison Barr\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Allison-Barr.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/Allison-Barr-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-e18d69d\" data-id=\"e18d69d\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f65b5fc elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"f65b5fc\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Allison Barr, MBA, MAP<\/strong><br \/><p>Allison is a Leadership Solutions Partner and co-host of our <a href=\"\/insights-research\/lead-with-that\/\">Lead With That<\/a> podcast, which highlights the leadership lessons in today\u2019s headlines and popular culture. She enjoys supporting clients with their most complex obstacles, including <a href=\"\/leadership-solutions\/organizational-leadership\/organizational-change-transformation\/\">organizational change<\/a> and <a href=\"\/leadership-solutions\/leadership-topics\/psychological-safety-training\/\">psychological safety<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-ef05e01 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"ef05e01\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 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region-global\" data-elementor-post-type=\"elementor_library\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-17bef4a elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"17bef4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-58b5f58 equal-height-col\" data-id=\"58b5f58\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-a5dc73d elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"a5dc73d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ef1176\" data-id=\"4ef1176\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-914e04f elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-featured-image\" data-id=\"914e04f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-featured-image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-featured-image \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-from-crisis-reaction-to-collective-adaptability\/\" ><div class=\"mask\"><div class=\"wrap-filters\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/ccl-podcast-from-crisis-reaction-to-collective-capability-center-for-creative-leadership-300x168.png\" alt=\"Lead With That CCL Podcast: From Crisis Reaction to Collective Adaptability\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay\"><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDecember 16, 2025\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-from-crisis-reaction-to-collective-adaptability\/\">Lead With That: From Crisis Reaction to Collective Adaptability<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d29e0ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-excerpt\" data-id=\"d29e0ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-excerpt.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-excerpt \"><p>In this episode, Ren and Allison explore how organizations can shift from crisis reaction to collective sustainable adaptability and achieve long-term success amidst disruption.<\/p>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article id=\"post-63306\" class=\"elementor-post elementor-grid-item ecs-post-loop post-63306 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-disruption-uncertainty categories-leadership-challenges categories-talent-development region-global\">\n\t\t\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"loop\" data-elementor-id=\"54657\" class=\"elementor elementor-54657 post-63306 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-disruption-uncertainty categories-leadership-challenges categories-talent-development region-global\" data-elementor-post-type=\"elementor_library\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-17bef4a elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"17bef4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-58b5f58 equal-height-col\" data-id=\"58b5f58\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-a5dc73d elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"a5dc73d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ef1176\" data-id=\"4ef1176\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-914e04f elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-featured-image\" data-id=\"914e04f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-featured-image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-featured-image \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-expanding-capabilities-through-talent-development\/\" ><div class=\"mask\"><div class=\"wrap-filters\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/ccl-podcast-expanding-capabilites-through-talent-development-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"Lead With That CCL Podcast: Expanding Capabilities Through Talent Development\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay\"><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJune 13, 2025\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-expanding-capabilities-through-talent-development\/\">Lead With That: Expanding Capabilities Through Talent Development<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d29e0ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-excerpt\" data-id=\"d29e0ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-excerpt.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-excerpt \"><p>In this episode, Ren and Allison discuss what leaders can learn about the importance of talent development from our recent challenge report. <\/p>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article id=\"post-63111\" class=\"elementor-post elementor-grid-item ecs-post-loop post-63111 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-change-transformation categories-authenticity region-global\">\n\t\t\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"loop\" data-elementor-id=\"54657\" class=\"elementor elementor-54657 post-63111 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-change-transformation categories-authenticity region-global\" data-elementor-post-type=\"elementor_library\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-17bef4a elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"17bef4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-58b5f58 equal-height-col\" data-id=\"58b5f58\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-a5dc73d elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"a5dc73d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ef1176\" data-id=\"4ef1176\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-914e04f elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-featured-image\" data-id=\"914e04f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-featured-image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-featured-image \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-what-the-papal-conclave-teaches-us-about-leadership\/\" ><div class=\"mask\"><div class=\"wrap-filters\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/ccl-podcast-what-the-papal-conclave-teaches-us-about-leadership-300x168.png\" alt=\"Lead With That: What the Papal Conclave Teaches Us about Leadership\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay\"><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMay 9, 2025\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-what-the-papal-conclave-teaches-us-about-leadership\/\">Lead With That: What the Papal Conclave Teaches Us About Leadership<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d29e0ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-excerpt\" data-id=\"d29e0ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-excerpt.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-excerpt \"><p>In this episode, Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn about humble and authentic leadership of Pope Francis as he consistently offered a message of resilience and hope, and what&#8217;s ahead after the historic papal conclave. <\/p><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article id=\"post-62887\" class=\"elementor-post elementor-grid-item ecs-post-loop post-62887 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-adaptability-agility categories-boundary-spanning categories-collaboration-relationship-skills categories-communication categories-crisis categories-disruption-uncertainty categories-resilience-stress region-americas\">\n\t\t\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"loop\" data-elementor-id=\"54657\" class=\"elementor elementor-54657 post-62887 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-adaptability-agility categories-boundary-spanning categories-collaboration-relationship-skills categories-communication categories-crisis categories-disruption-uncertainty categories-resilience-stress region-americas\" data-elementor-post-type=\"elementor_library\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-17bef4a elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"17bef4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-58b5f58 equal-height-col\" data-id=\"58b5f58\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-a5dc73d elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"a5dc73d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ef1176\" data-id=\"4ef1176\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-914e04f elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-featured-image\" data-id=\"914e04f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-featured-image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-featured-image \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-leading-while-stuck-in-space\/\" ><div class=\"mask\"><div class=\"wrap-filters\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/ccl-podcast-leading-while-stuck-in-space-300x168.jpg\" alt=\"Lead With That: Leading While Stuck in Space - Center for Creative Leadership podcast\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay\"><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tApril 10, 2025\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-leading-while-stuck-in-space\/\">Lead With That: Leading While Stuck in Space<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d29e0ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-excerpt\" data-id=\"d29e0ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-excerpt.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-excerpt \"><p>In this episode, Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn about leadership from 2 NASA Astronauts&#8217; journey back to Earth from space.<\/p>\n<\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t<article id=\"post-62720\" class=\"elementor-post elementor-grid-item ecs-post-loop post-62720 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-authenticity categories-collaboration-relationship-skills categories-communication categories-innovation-creativity categories-resilience-stress region-americas\">\n\t\t\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"loop\" data-elementor-id=\"54657\" class=\"elementor elementor-54657 post-62720 podcasts type-podcasts status-publish has-post-thumbnail hentry categories-authenticity categories-collaboration-relationship-skills categories-communication categories-innovation-creativity categories-resilience-stress region-americas\" data-elementor-post-type=\"elementor_library\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-17bef4a elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"17bef4a\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-58b5f58 equal-height-col\" data-id=\"58b5f58\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-inner-section elementor-element elementor-element-a5dc73d elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"a5dc73d\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-inner-column elementor-element elementor-element-4ef1176\" data-id=\"4ef1176\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-914e04f elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-featured-image\" data-id=\"914e04f\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-featured-image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-featured-image \"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-leadership-lessons-from-the-movies\/\" ><div class=\"mask\"><div class=\"wrap-filters\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/ccl-podcast-leadership-lessons-from-the-movies-300x168.png\" alt=\"CCL Podcast Lead With That: Leadership Lessons from the Movies\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay\"><\/div><div class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMarch 10, 2025\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-leadership-lessons-from-the-movies\/\">Lead With That: Leadership Lessons From the Movies<\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-d29e0ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-excerpt\" data-id=\"d29e0ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-excerpt.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-excerpt \"><p>In this episode, Ren and Allison discuss what we can learn about 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class=\"dce-overlay_hover\"><\/div><\/a><\/div>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-695f621 podcastDate elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"695f621\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tNovember 22, 2024\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-973ddc9 content-title elementor-widget elementor-widget-dyncontel-title\" data-id=\"973ddc9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"dyncontel-title.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"dce-title\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccl.org\/podcasts\/lead-with-that-navigating-tough-conversations\/\">Lead With That: Navigating Tough 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